Some people claim that the shorter cyclone design used by Laguna and other manufacturers can reduce effective separation of fines from larger dust particles and cause the filter to clog faster. I ordered the C-Flux from the local Woodcraft. Kby. I hate throw away tools. Motor shop quoted me $600 out the door for a replacement motor. There's a relationship between the length of the cyclone cone and the percentage of dust the cyclone removes from the airstream.
I want to turn-baby-turn! Oversizing a dust collector results in no harm. You might verify that the centrifugal switch contacts are closed for starting. Short-cone designs like the Laguna extract less dust from the airstream than long-cone designs. All rights reserved. Had to take time off for family problems including a looooong trip but I digress. Kind of funny about the CFM's of the Powermatic and the Laguna as if you look at the pictures of the two units they look like the same machines except for a few cosmetic differences???? Apparently it was hard wired in a manner so that when it did trip, you couldn't reset it, or some electrical talk like that.
Is that the supercell? The garage is wired for 110, but I'll probably have to add another circuit. There are only two moving parts on a DC - the motor shaft and impeller. I find that we tend to plan our needs for dust collectors a bit too "optimistic". Took the set up to an electrical shop because I thought it was the motor. I have my barrel on the mobile stand so I can release the quick disconnect and drop the barrel to wheels free to recycle. We use cookies to give you the best experience. Properly sized, you will only ever need one. I have had 2 Laguna motors where the centrifugal switches failed, resulting in the same issue you are seeing. How fast do they get filled when planing or jointing ? I spoke to both Laguna and Oneida reps. 2Hp does not sound like enough for a 20" planer. Spun like she was new. The all-new X Flux 5 boasts a powerful 5-hp motor and impressive 1,823 cfm, the company said in a statement. They will design your duct systems for you. I still don't trust Grizzly. Which did you end up choosing? The dust collector will be used for the table saw, router and my kapex. I bought the older 2HP white one earlier this year. I had a 1 ag Powermatic that was OK but the Griz is bigger and twice as powerful. JavaScript is disabled. It has a new canister/filter, sure would be nice to not spend 2-3k for a new set-up. Had a friend who got one maybe 10 years ago. Current systainer to productivity ratio: very high. I would like a cyclone collector but open to other styles. You are born weak & frail, and you die weak & frail. Have any of you guys checked out JDS dust collectors.
check out the. I would like a cyclone collector but open to other styles. I'm sure they are having a hard time getting supplies just like every one else with the pandemic. Here are some supplies and tools we find essential in our everyday work around the shop. You must log in or register to reply here. Holy $!/&, lets wake it up and bust em out!!! We undersize based on our needs. I have the 3 hp version of that older model and have been generally pleased with it. Your username must be your real First and Last name (for example: John Doe). Not only as talents, but also as the core of new business expansions aligned with their vision, expertise, and target audience. (Geoff 12-18-07), (This post was last modified: 04-01-2018, 06:25 AM by, (This post was last modified: 04-09-2018, 12:38 AM by, https://www.oneida-air.com/inventory.asp9DC8B19%7D. May be wrong its. Guy at electric shop said it is what he calls a throw-away motor, not if but when it dies, better off replacing the whole unit. Curious, John..what died? I agree with PackerGuy and EdL. Relatively quiet, good build quality, good performance, sturdy, and great support from Oneida. I will say Oneida seemed more interested in earning my business than Laguna. I'm the only one who uses this, so it would most likely be just 1 tool at a time being used. Been a while since I looked. Like Robo I have the 30gal because I have height limitations where I mounted it. Interesting thread. So I am looking for a new one. https://lagunatools.com/classic-machinery/dust-collectors/cflux-1-5-hp-cyclone/, http://www.jettools.com/us/en/p/jcdc-1-5-cyclone-dust-collector-1-5hp-115v/717515, Re: Dust Collector for garage. All of these machines will be plenty for only using 1 tool at a time. But really worth looking over. Hello everybody. So for a while now I've been casually shopping for a dust collector to put into my shop, which is equal parts WW / auto. Last year I got the Dust Deputy 5" from Amazon. JavaScript is disabled. Look again, the 4380 is FPS, not CFM. Today while running it to collect dust at my workbench from sanding, it just stopped like I had turned the switch off. I try to keep repair cost of any unit to 75% or less than original cost, any more and tool gets replaced. I have the Oneida Air Systems V-3000 in my garage shop and it is very very effective and quiet. Back to making shavings! Another contender to consider is the Oneida Air Systems 1.5hp Mini Gorilla. I'd rather have the new camper but with covid not going to happen this year. Welcome new registering member. I just got this in today and got it installed..pardon the pun, but it really sucks! I think I would go with the Oneida. Baru,Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12120. I only use it for one tool at a time and it's plenty for my Sawstop, bandsaw, and router table. The Bitterness of Poor Quality Lingers Long after the Cheap Price is Forgotten!!!!! I have searched for info on here about the Grizzly G0860, only found one thread with little info. What does the planer mfg suggest? Couldn't get it started again. Auto-cleaning of the HEPA filter is accomplished by double-paddles that sweep the filter every three minutes of system use in a clockwise and counterclockwise action. Did the motor burn out or just stop working? Umm, maybe if the motor dies again, get a good motor to replace it. What you do between those is up to you. Providing marketing, business, and financial consultancy for our creators and clients powered by our influencer platform, Allstars Indonesia (allstars.id).
The impeller blade was so out of balance that a local machine shop wouldn't even touch it to try to repair it, and he had to get it totally replaces. Laguna Tools has added features to its C Flux and P Flux cyclone dust collectors and added a new model, the X Flux 5, a single-stage collector with a 39-gallon drum on locking castors. If I end up running 220, it will be an Oneida I think but would really like to be able to use the 120v/20amp outlets I have. https://www.canadianwoodworker.com/warget=LA015DCP, http://forum.canadianwoodworking.comlems-with-them.
I purchase all lumber rough cut so I have a lot more chips to collect to get to finished size (I get much straighter stock this way). I'll check them out, thanks. Did you check all the usual suspects - switch, outlet, circuit breaker, capacitor? As packerguy said, call Oneida.my 3hp Dust Ape was/is the BEST thing I've ever bought for my shop. Thanks everybody! I think they are a bit expensive for what they are, but everyone that has them seem to rave over them, Dust Collector for garage. They have some that are very small foot prints, and have flow ratings that you can trust. What an amazing difference in dust capture as well as planer, jointer and router table debris. Sounds like every thing else on the DC is good. I ordered at the beginning of this year and it was shipped much earlier than the estimated ship date posted on their website. I know this is not a popular opinion among woodworkers. Truly head-spin worthy if you try to speed read thru it. Especially since my log splitter took a dump, ordered a new one today. it's always something.. LOL. The Chinese motor burned up (as in smoking windings!) My Oneida did shut down once. They show CFM at 1543. You also don't see an impeller that size (15.8") on a 3 horse machine normally, I'd bet it moves more air than the competition. Looking at 115v, don't want to mess with 220 wiring again. I can run the 220v if I need to. He had to drill out most of the holes on the frame because they didn't fit or line up. Also, do not use all caps nor all lower case. I do like inexpensive repairs but when it can be replaced for a couple more $$s, it's time. I'm going to spend some time looking at all the brands and ratings again, that 3k for an DC would go far in comfort items for my new scoot. I know the DC will not collect all of the superfine dust at the tool, but the more you can keep out of your lungs the better. 2022 Cruz Bay Publishing, Inc. an Active Interest Media company. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. So, I guess next time it dies, I'll have my oneida fund built up. I was hoping to get some opinions on 2 dust collectors I'm looking at purchase for my garage. and I got tired of the amount of dust in the air and issues with the cloth bags so I switched to a 3 hp Oneida V system. I believe that dust collection is one of those specialized applications that might be best served by manufacturers who specialize in dust collection. Sisingamangaraja No.21,Kec. I'm not sure. My first was a 2hp Grizzly, after a couple years I made a home made cyclone for it and dumped the bags - much better. Not sure how you can get that much difference of CFM's out of a machine that look that similar? It is also quieter - and my wife will happily attest to that. Lol, I've got the 110V predecessor of the Laguna cflux-. Regarding canister size. Great company and customer support and they seems to have this cyclone thing down pat. Laguna offered a whole new machine or just the motor; I went for the latter (didn't want to disassemble the old one and ship) and it runs fine now. Even if a deal it's still a grand or a little more so I'm probably going to pass, as I don't get the "warm and fuzzies" on this one. I have the 35 gal. All times are GMT-5. In my opinion, a cyclone separator is a must if you use the unit in any serious way. Come join the discussion about shop safety, wood, carpentry, lumber, finishing, tools, machinery, woodworking related topics, styles, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I started with absolutely nothing. #1 producer of sawdust in at least a 4 block radius of Lincoln, NE. Careful, don't smoke the motor windings. I have the Onieda Mini Gorilla 110v, and like it a lot. "Screen names" and "handles" are not allowed and your registration will be deleted if you don't use your real name. I have the Oneida Supercell (35 gallon) great machine with incredible suction. Cloth filter bags are a PINTA to dump and clean which will be frequent if you do not have a cyclone. I have a 2 bagger grizzly and like it.
Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'll check that one out as well. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. motors and it has been a looooooong time. I was looking at Jet & Laguna because I heard they would be on sale for Black Friday. (This post was last modified: 03-31-2018, 09:22 PM by, The "air flow" listedon the8" inlet is 4380 CFM, Once Favre hangs it up though, it years of cellar dwelling for the Pack. An auto-cleaning feature is now standard for the P Flux, available with 1.5-, 2- or 3-hp motors. Oneida, Clear Vue, JDS focus their success on high end dust separation. If it does fix it, I'm still going to modify mine. If I decide to put in 220, I will get the Oneida Supercell 55 gallon. I'll get a cyclone adapter and give it a shot. Our creator-led media are leadersin each respective verticals,reaching 10M+ target audience. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. Will echo some of the same things - go bigger than you think you need, 30 gal trash can with separator on top is great, scoop up what you can with a shovel first then suck up the rest, use 4"+ hose wherever you can, filter bags are a real pain. Bearing in mind that the ratings on them are under perfect, lab conditionsthat NEVER occur in the real world shop environment. Grizzly jet and Powermatic are all made innthe same country I think. Wife rides with me on the trike so her. comfort kinda takes preference for now. Cyclones like heavier chips and the X Flux 5 would be better suited to handle fine dust, and its geared towards the upscale home hobby shops through the small pro shop, adds Lagunas Benjamin Helshoj in an interview with Woodshop News. In fact, 15 or 20 gallons is a bit to haul. I have a Jet AFS 1000B mounted in the ceiling. CT-MIDI, C-18, RO-150, RO-90, OF-1010, OF-1400, MFK-700, MFK-700EQ/B, EHL-65, DTS-400, LS-130, MFT/3 (x4), MFT/Kapex (x3), KA 65 Conturo, endless Systainers. Bill Pentz has a website that has a HUGE amount of information on it. For now, she's alive! etc. You are using an out of date browser. Assistance hours:Monday Friday10 am to 6 pm, Jl. You are using an out of date browser. One test I saw mentioned how good the dust separation was on the 1.5hp model you are looking at. - Its not that Im so smart, its just that I stay with problems longer. Albert Einstein. yeah, I've done some research the last few days and initially my impression was Laguna is a high end tool company, but finding out that at least with their dust collectors, both the product and sometimes service was spotty. This article was originally published in the March 2022 issue. Well, maybe after I fix hydraulics on one tractor, leak on another, then rewire a friends tractor, mow 3 acres covered in leaves, til those leaves/grass under in garden, butcher bout a dozen roosters, cut another load of firewood man it never ends. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. I often leave 2-4 gates open at the same time with the Oneida 3hp and it works great. There is literally thousands of hours on it and the only thing I've had to do was tighten the impeller bolts twice. It did take 220. Duct design is incredibly important. Laguna Tools announces upgrades to its lineup of C Flux and P Flux cyclones and the upcoming launch of its new X Flux 5 dust collector. Nope, did not hit it by accident LOL Tried to fire it back up nothing, not even a groan. Shiny/new is fun!! Werea team of creatives who are excited about unique ideas and help digital and others companies tocreate amazing identity. I know.you just want a new shiny one! They were not around when I got my Oneida. The X Flux 5 is geared towards fine dust and sanding where cyclones are not performing as well. Put collector back together, fired 'er up and she went to town, sucking up a storm. The C Flux models start at $1,999. I've probably gone through more iterations on DC setups than anything else in my shop. Decided on the Laguna, I move my stuff around alot and the Laguna looked beefier for that. That's still probably not correct, but if more comparable to what the others indicate. *If you are unable to login and cannot reset your password, the fastest way to contact us is by creating a temporary account and sending a pm to the sysadmin account. ft. of air per minute, according to the company. The $5 cap fix got me another 10 months use, well, a good hard use for 6 months. container and it's good for a couple hundred BF of lumber depending on how much stock your taking off. That's why the short-cone systems make a big point of having a built-in beater to help clean the filter.
They fixed it for me, and it is still running strong.
To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. in the first 4 hours. This page was generated at 08:49 PM. It is made in New York. What is currently stopping me is the 35 gallon version is a 10 week wait, the 55 gallon version is a 4 week wait. Woodturningit's not just a past time, it's all the time https://www.amazon.com/Oneida-Air-S=1&keywords=dust+deputy&qid=1601860867&sr=8-5, https://www.aawforum.org/community/media/users/gerald-lawrence.20956/. Oneida Air introducesSupercell dust collector. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. American motor and dust collection is all this company does. For those with these nice dust collectors would you mind commenting on the capacity of the bin ? I have a Grizzly that has been going strong for about 23 years. Got to it after lunch, changed out and plugged it in. P Flux models start at $2,899. I have been very happy with my Laguna Pflux Hepa 3hp. All my other festool tools I'll have hooked up to the CT26e. I had the large Delta dust collector for a lot of years when I did almost all flat work utilizing a table saw, 15" planer, 8" jointer, etc. https://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp, https://lagunatools.com//dust-collec/cflux-1-5-hp-cyclone/, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. It is 240V so you'll need to wire for it. We may receive a commission from sales referred by our links; however, we have carefully selected these products for their usefulness and quality. Looking at a Laguna C/Flux:1 also. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. I would second this, I just bought one myself and love it. I have the same question. Plus I had about $200 in store credit so I was only out of pocket about $900. Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. I don't have a jointer or planer yet. After some reading, if I don't put in 220, I will get the Laguna Tools 1.5hp C/Flex:1. Started too small with dumb design and over time have something now that works. Yes, I'll keep that in mind. I finally figured out how to deal with sawdust in my hair. Yea, I checked my tools, nothing missing LOL, but for SnGs I will go through the chip bag to make sure it was a big piece of bark and not a tool that went through it. I looked at it, decided I can due 2 screws without shorting myself out so we will see if that fixes it. I was looking at some Jet and Laguna DCs earlier today, and the way my new shop will be set up I just couldnt decide if they would work. Looks like there is a long wait on either one so I have more time to read/compare. Right now I have basically no dust collection setup and the dust is quite awful. They also have a redesigned three-piece drum construction that require far fewer joints and fasteners for reduced assembly time, as well as locking casters. Thats how I got mine, which BTW is an older Oneida unit. Laguna or Jet, https://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=XXPM010100H&CatId={B75F8739-54DE-47CA-A8FE-4FE9AEFDCC1C}, Quote from: bnaboatbuilder on November 09, 2017, 09:29 AM, Quote from: JLMS2010 on November 09, 2017, 11:34 AM, Quote from: mark60 on November 09, 2017, 08:34 PM, Quote from: JSlovic on November 09, 2017, 07:59 PM, http://jdstools.com/product/2hp-cyclone-2100-ckv/, Quote from: JBag09 on November 11, 2017, 07:39 PM, Quote from: Tom Gensmer on November 08, 2017, 09:13 PM, Quote from: JLMS2010 on November 12, 2017, 07:26 PM, Quote from: mwildt on November 12, 2017, 08:27 PM. After speaking to Oneida I may go with the V3000 system. but frankly afraid to mess with capacitors. If you're looking to keep the cost down, do consider Grizzly. We understand that creators can excel further. 30gal is great plenty for lathe (only use for dust), tablesaw, bandsaw, mitersaw and even router table (not used for long periods). JavaScript is disabled. Lots of folks will upgrade their systems, even cyclones. I see a lot of guys using portable units as de facto stationary units, which is fine if that was your original intention. Back Office- Software, Insurance & Associations. Undersizing will leave you frustrated, and not getting the results you had hoped for - chiefly, keeping the air cleaner for your health and keeping your shop space cleaner. My Oneida works great no dust in the shop. Here's my comment on the bin size, when it comes time to lug it to the curb I'd rather tote 30 gallons of sawdust that 55 gallons, even if I have to tote twice as often. That PM DC has some bells and whistles you don't see on other models (vacuum to hold the debris bag, and a pressure gauge) but that probably doesn't justify the price. A forum community dedicated to professional woodworkers and enthusiasts. That would be a cheaper solution. Laguna or Jet. I prefer 220.but I can understand it can be expensive if you have to pay someone to install it. Come winter, I might be able to go that high without sleeping in the dog-house. LOL. It may not display this or other websites correctly. All Rights Reserved. The only thing I dont like is the remote is a $80 option with Oneida. Many of the short-cone designs even have a motorized beater. So far, so good.
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